Bruce sent me extensive information about his grandfather, Charles Gilbert, who lived in Bishops Stortford for a short time in the early years of the 20th century. For a time he was publican at the White Horse Inn, but was out of work at the time of the 1911 census. However the following year went into partnership with F. A. Dando to open the Empire Picture Palace, which only traded for a short time, with Charles emigrating to Australia in November 1913 with a Mrs Annie Gilbert - but the key question is whether the Annie he emigrated with was the Annie listed as his wife in 1911, or Norah Maddocks, from Bishops Stortford, - who was the mother of the family in Australia! For details of the complex story, and my advice, see
GILBERT, Bishops Stortford, 1902-1914.
Father was Samuel George Alfred Gilbert (from son's service record) of Leyton (ditto) which tallies with the 1891 census for Alfred Gilbert. He was bt. 3 August 1842 at St Botolph Aldersgate son of James and Mary G; James a publisher. He married Mariana Soledad del Villar (or Villaz) at Camberwell in 1865. This can be ascertained from the mum-in-law's and sister's names in the 1871 census (when Samuel did use his first name). So Marguerite rings truer than Margaret, Despite the exotic name she was born in England and bt. 1 April 1845 at Southwark (b. 1844) daughter of Joseph and Isabella Gilbert; he was a merchant.
ReplyDeleteWow - Anthony, you seemed to have struck some gold for us.
DeleteAbout an hour ago we found SGA Gilbert's probate records, which state DOD as 30 March 1906, in/of the White Horse Inn, Bis. Stort. (I note you show his DOD as 'registered in 1905.' Does this need any clarification?).
We have also found what we think/hope is Charles Edward Ashford Gilbert's B/Cert, and expect it from England this week.Will keep you posted.
Also, you show 'unexotic' Margaret as the daughter of Joseph and Isabella 'GILBERT'. Should this read Soledad del Villar?
Thanks to you and Chris. I still need to find out if it was CEA Gilbert who fled to Oz with the cashier and the cash!
Many thanks
Bruce and Denise Gilbert
Gloucester NSW.
Forgot to mention the Herts bit: Samuel Alfred G Gilbert's death was registered 1905 at Bishops Stortford.
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